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is eliot spitzer trying to make a comeback? finally, super bowl sunday. democrats are rooting for one team. republicans for the other. can you guess who's rooting for whom? we've got the numbers in the "hardball" "sideshow." let's start with sarah palin. former dnc spokesperson karen finney, and i'm glad to say that, and republican strategist ron christy was an adviser to george w. bush and dick cheney. let me ask you about this wide-open question. is sarah palin a heavyweight or just a great sort of media funster? somebody who knows how to make some money, give some speeches and we'll see her in a few months and she doesn't matter? >> at this point she's a funster. >> i love that word. >> you did teach me that word, chris. taut me everything i know. you know, what's interesting is if you look at the three big successes that the republicans have had in massachusetts, virginia, new jersey, one key element, no sarah palin. >> she wasn't asked.
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>> she wasn't asked to come. if you're a political heavyweight, you're asked to come in and weigh in and campaign with someone because there's an expectation. you're going to help deliver votes. i don't think we can see her as somebody to deliver votes. >> she is going to make over $100,000 tomorrow night. will she say something saturday night that hits the front page of the major newspapers sunday morning? that's my home run reading on her. i think she'll try to do it. i'm not sure. >> i think she could. to karen's point, i think sarah palin right now is a political personality. right now she's out there, selling books, she's elevating her profile. i think from her speech tomorrow night, we'll see, what does she envision for herself for the future? go out and swing for the fences, try to take down rahm emanuel, or sell some more books, get notoriety but not try to really elevate her political career? very interesting to see what she does. >> the r word, those words are
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out. there's a sensitivity understanding of the challenged, when you use those words. not whether she was right to call rahm emanuel on that. if she wanted to call him on it, and stop doing it, that's one thing. but will she use it to nail him? we'll know tomorrow night. >> i think you're right. >> what do you think i'm right about? >> if she goes for it -- >> and says, i want him out of there? >> or goes after it in terms of how inappropriate it is or what have you, then we have more of a sense of the killer instinct. her book didn't really lay out the killer instinct. however, if you're going to go after rahm emanuel, you can't be a hypocrite. you better go after rush limbaugh. boy, i tell you -- he said the same thing. if the word is off off-limits, it's off-limits everywhere. i'm just saying, if the word off-limits, it shouldn't just be off-limits for democrats. >> take the walrus' job away
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from him? >> oh, man. >> it goes to a broader issue. president obama himself made fun of the special olympics. >> right. >> rahm emanuel's doing it. i would take this white house and say, you guys are politically insensitive. you're insensitive to people's disabilities and rahm should go. >> your suggestion she goes for a political home run. >> i do. >> you don't personally believe a man should be fired for used in comedy movies. it was in that movie, what's it called, "hangover." >> loved "hangover." >> but not for somebody running the white house. >> rahm emanuel uses, let's say colorful language. >> did you notice he can use the f word and nobody thinks anything of it? let's look at sarah palin's schedule. it is quite impressive. here's what palin wrote in her facebook. here's her schedule. her facebook. i would ask the president to show decency in the process by
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eliminating mr. rahm emanuel and not allow rahm's indecent tactics to cloud efforts. the obama administration's chief of staff scolded participants calling them -- the word we were just using. just as we've been appalled at any figure of rahm's stature ever used the n word or any inappropriate language, rahm's slur on all god's children with cognitive disabilities is heartbreaking. fair enough. it's all those things. the fact of the matter is, i always wonts, which one of these liberals is in regular touch with frickin' "wall street journal." you've got to wonder who this guy is talking to up there, right? didn't you think immediately, which one of these lefty progressives immediately gets on the phone with the wall street and says, guess what, rahm used a bad word. >> it is the duplicitous double speak we've been seeing from sarah palin. if we're going to say that a word is a bad word and one we
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shouldn't use, you can't qualify one group gets to use it and another one doesn't. >> can we look at this schedule of sarah palin, what she's got scheduled for the next couple weeks. it's really impressive. on february 6th, she's the key note speaker, that's tomorrow night. the next morning she gets up and does chris wallace. later sunday she campaigns with texas governor rick perry, the secessionist down in texas. february 16th key note speaker in little rock. march 26th and 27th, she campaigns and raises money with john mccain. her sponsor. march 27th, she headlines a party rally in harry reid's hometown of searchlight, nevada. april 7th she campaigns with her wannabe, michelle bachman in her congressional district. speaks to the southern republican leadership conference later on april 8th. and up to 11th in new orleans. what a packed schedule to reach the republican right. >> but it only reinforces what i
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said earlier, is she a personality -- >> these are freebies. >> but what it underscores is the fact she's trying to reintroduce herself -- >> i wish we could -- >> i'm going to throw it -- >> what did you do to this thing? this is roller derby here. he said, just a minute. he jams his elbow over there. >> this is "hardball." but my point being, i think she's reintroducing herself to a lot of people who have been skeptical of her. who does she stand for. she's going to go out and make serious speeches. >> would you vote for her as president or vice president? >> i would have to see who else is running. >> in the same way we saw her at the convention and thought, wow, this woman is impressive, and a few weeks later we thought, oh, maybe not. however, we're learning, how about those e-mails that msnbc uncovered today about todd palin's bigger role in government. >> what did you make of that? you've introduced them.
5:07 pm investigative reporter bill deadman released e-mails mentioned by karen finney that palin coached her staff to disguise a tanning bed set up in the governor's mansion. and looked for public events that coincided with her daughter's trips to charge the state for them. is this small potatoes? >> it's relatively -- >> you worked in pol tifs. >> i have. but i'll tell you something, it speaks to a belief that you can use the government, misuse the government, those government dollars, the taxpayer dollars, by the way, and massage it so you can get what you want. >> every president uses every airplane -- >> wait a second. but that's exactly -- that's exactly the kind of thing that she is speaking out against. it's hypocritical.
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you know that game. we all know that game. >> let's look at speaker pelosi for the last two years spent over $2 million on travel. she spent over $100,000 on food and beverages. booze, when i flew on air force 2, i had to pay for my booze and beers. why didn't speaker pelosi? you're talking about taxpayers and hypocrisy here. why isn't speaker pelosi spending that money. >> we're speaking specifically about sarah palin. we're learning more and more about sarah palin and the more we learn, the more it's unclear who she really is and what her agenda is. i think it's really about her and selling books. would you vote for her? >> we're talking about a -- >> would you vote for her? >> the speaker of the house, the speaker is defrauding the taxpayers by wasting their money and you're still talking about sarah palin's e-mail. >> but actually having to explain -- >> you've got the camera here. >> but there is a difference. she's the speaker of the house. sarah palin is getting a tanning
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bed. let's be clear. >> that's small potatoes. all politicians get perks. they get elected, they get perks. as long as they're in office, she paid for the tanning bed. it was the electricity that was the issue. >> actually, chris, for those of us who work in the white house, including the president and vice president, you have to pay for your food and expenses. the distinction i'm drawing with the speaker is the taxpayers foot that. no one cares whether -- >> you know, you're right, we got a bill. >> but again, the point i'm making -- >> but not for the little candy. >> the m&ms are free. >> the m&ms were great. but you're allowed to get them free. actually, you can actually smoke on those planes, do you believe it? >> not anymore. >> i know. >> thank you for a lively friday evening discussion. only to be outdone by tomorrow night's events. president obama is touting the unemployment rate as he noticed it's down to $9.7. is this just a lucky number. is it dropping for real or just
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today we received additional news suggesting that we are climbing out of the huge hole that we found ourselves in. it is encouraging the job loss in january was a small fraction of what it was a year ago, and that the unemployment rate last month went down and not up. understanding that these numbers will continue to fluctuate for
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months to come, these are welcome, if modest, signs of progress along the road to recovery. >> welcome back to "hardball." president obama touted the dip in the unemployment rate, down from 10% to 9.7%. jim cramer is the host of cnbc's mad money. is it a leading indicator that things are getting better, jim cramer? >> absolutely, chris. i think the most important part of it was overtime hours soared. that's what happens right before companies say, you know what, we can't keep working these people this hard. we've got to bring people in. we've got to hire. this was the first sign of that, and manufacturing employment was terrific. >> just like the fact that inventories, we had to deal with inventories, now overtime. all good indicators. let me ask you, like most people, i sit and watch the market every day here on msnbc. it's always up on the wall. you're always on it. how can the unemployment rate going down, even if a little bit, while the market had a
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really bad couple of days? three or four days? >> okay. our market has become what's known as very thin. it means it could be moved. today i found out there was about $100 million for sale in the market, that was margined to about $1 billion, knocked the dow down 163 points. the seller finished at 3:00. and then the market closed up. that's how ridiculous our market's gotten. most of the selling is coming from europe, chris, not from here. people trying to liquidate our stocks in order to be able to have some money because of the problems in greece and portugal and spain. >> let's talk about the president. he's talking about a jobs bill, $100 billion bill out of the senate. is that going to do anything to the market? is it going to do anything to unemployment? >> not really. look, if it gave us a highway bill, i would see that. because the companies that are starting to hire are companies that make heavy machinery. but it's not for heavy machinery use here, it's for overseas. we could participate in that with a highway bill. all the other stuff i don't think matters. you can tell small businesses
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that they can go get loans. but the small business applications for loans are down dramatically. the dogs won't eat it. >> let's talk about the fact that the president, what he's going to do this year. is there a sense that geithner's going, that he's going to do something this year to dramatically improve the way the public looks at him in this time of tremendous political turbulence with the tea party stuff and everything else? doesn't he have to do something to show he hears the country's anger? or not? >> actually, i think he does. but he doesn't need to attack business as much as he needs to attack those who are saying to him that -- you know, the tea party people who basically want to bring back the most vicious lauzy fair ideas and they didn't work. he ought to talk about how the tea party guys had their shot and gave us what we have, which is horrible. >> you mean come out and say tax cutting has not been the solution to america's energy, economic, health care, whatever
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challenges? >> those people, whoever they were, they got the tax cuts. now my kids have to pay for the tax cuts. it wasn't supposed to happen like 2020, 2030. the guys who rolled everything back just made it so that there was a bigger bill later. and the bigger bill is coming due right now. i was hoping it wouldn't come due until i was on social security. >> jim cramer, you're the best. "mad money" airs every week night at 6:00 eastern on cnbc. who's going to win the super bowl? >> i hate the colts, but they're going to win. steve, you wrote a hell of a column today, steve. you said something brilliant. we watch all this stuff about how the election changes everything. only 59 senators, 41 republicans. but it seems to me, 41 republicans means they can stop anything. that means they're part of the solution. they've got to give in once in a while or else nothing will get done. what's your solution? >> the solution is these guys have to learn, again, what it means to compromise.
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you know, we hear all about compromises. you agree on something, we agree on it, that's fine, great place to start. that's not very much ground. that's a real small part, that common ground. compromising means this, chris. what do you need, chris? i need a, b, c. i say, i need d, e and f. let's start with that. you give in on a few i'll give in on a few. i hold my nose, you hold your nose, we get through this thing. the other thing we've got to remember is one party won the election and another party didn't. and the party that won the election has 59 votes. that's a lot of votes. that's the second biggest majority in the post-war era. the 60 was the largest. >> when you play tennis, it's your serve, right? you get to serve the ball. but the other side's got to return the damn ball. they can't just, oh, boy, i've got the ball now. it seems like the other side is not returning the ball. he proposes something on health care. they say, screw you, you're dead, we kill you. they don't say, why don't we
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counter offer. >> they think that it's better politics for them. they hold the ball, to use your analogy, nothing gets done and then they blame the other guy for nothing getting done and hope they get to be in charge. what happens? they get into office, they get the majority and -- >> i understand the politics. >> they serve and nothing happens. >> reagan said, i'm going to cut taxes 30%, the democrats dickered about it. got down to 25%. they said okay, got a majority. it seems like you negotiate things. why don't the republicans say, we'll back your health care bill if we can do tort reform bill, or get compensation for insurance. why don't they to it? >> because they would rather have nothing. they would rather play political games. they think in the long run, their side will do better. they'll get back in power. >> then what? >> that's what they don't understand. they get back in power and it will get done to them what they did the other guys and nothing gets done. >> so we keep dumping presidents, failure after failure. so bush leaves office, and
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barack obama has one term, every three or four presidents, we have a two-term president. >> what is obama going to do? he has got to call them on it. he's got to make this the issue. the issue is the system doesn't work. and these guys are the problem. >> did you see the guys laughing at him in the state of the union? he says we've got to make a deal on health care. that's his program. i'm looking up at cornyn, hand he's chuckling. they're laughing at him up there. >> they might not be laughing if he makes them the issue. that's what harry reid is going to do. today we found out that one senator was putting a hold on every nominee coming before the senate. so nothing could come up. harry reid has got to say, okay, if you want to filibuster this, come on. let's go 24/7. the whole country will watch you
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filibuster every nominee here. >> your idea again, your column was great, because it's the responsibility of the party with lesser votes, the republicans, to respond. and put a deal on the table. >> right. get them to respond. but you know -- >> that would be democracy. if we operated this way, we would never have had a constitution. we would never have agreed on the draft of the declaration of independence. instead they agreed to put the city here in washington instead of phillie or somewhere. >> before you can get anything done, health care, anything, you've got to fix the system. if you don't do that -- >> the people are on the right and left, everybody wants it their way. we need to get our government working right. that's the most important thing. more important than health care, more important than anything else is to get our democracy functioning again. steve pearlstein, great column. politics of the super bowl. let's see which side -- you can probably figure this one out.
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back to "hardball." the difference between republicans and liberals, here they go. the o'reilly/jon stewart face-off the other night took an unexpected turn. >> i'm thinking about running for president. >> i think that would be a really bad idea. >> i want you to be my vice president. >> that's a really bad idea, too. i have pictures from college that preclude me from going to the post office. >> i'm vetting you. global warming, all right? you're big on that. you're frightened of it. you want to flee, don't you? >> flee what? the earth? >> the planet? >> no, i'm okay right now. >> i need a strong vp.
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>> i'm not running with you. >> you're not? >> no. >> you're turning it down already? >> i'm not running with you. i'm not going to be your vp, because i get one job, and to light the white house menorah. not interested. >> i think until that last remark stewart showed himself a serious man. mocking concerns over climate change. does everything have to be a schoolyard taupt or demonstration of macho? next, public policy shows who is cheering for the new orleans saints and indianapolis colts this super bowl sunday. this is fascinating. democrats are chairing for the saints by a 15-point margin. republicans are narrowly for the colts. the independents join democrats and go for the saints.
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i'm rooting for the saints. i love new orleans. and drew brees is a dynamite quarterback. finally, couldn't make it to the tea party convention this year? here's what you're missing. u.s. government bankruptcy, facts for citizens who don't have finance degrees. also, five easy fixes of the high cost of mass immigration. whoa! and green hell, how environmentalists plan to control your life. and what you can do to stop them. i think that last one sounds like, of course, o'reilly. i don't get it. now for the "big number." another day, another out-of-tune comment from michael steele. yesterday the chairman was whacking at the president's tax cut plan for families making under $250,000. steele stuck up for those making more, saying, "trust me, after taxes, $1 million is not a lot of money." that's our number tonight. $1 million. not a lot of money to michael steele. talking about being out of touch with a country where the median family income is $50,000 a year.
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i'm julia boorstin with your market wrap. stocks spent most of the day in the red. the dow jones industrial average adding ten points back above 10,000 after dipping below 9900 ier in the day. the s&p 500 up 3 points. the nasdaq with a big comeback finishing 15 points higher.
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mixed bag of economic news helping fuel the roller coaster today. employers cut 20,000 jobs in january. but the unemployment rate actually falling to 9.7%. americans are borrowing less for the 11th straight month in december. the dollar surging to the highest level since may against the euro. investors are still worried about rising levels of european debt. alcoa up 2%. intel, cisco adding 2% as well. now, back to "hardball." what a story we've got for you now. one of the winners in tuesday's illinois primary was democrat scott lee cohen, a little-known
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pawnshop owner, becoming the nominee for lieutenant governor. his good week is ending bad. here's some of today's front pages. in chicago, the daily herald reads, in the hot seat. the chicago tribune quotes cohen saying i have no intention of stepping down. the "chigao sun-times" quotes cohen saying i won't quit. what happened? here's more of the sun "times" repo report. then it was that charge by a prostitute he was living with, that'sisting in itself, he was living with a prostitute, who apparently said he held a knife to her throat. that would be enough for me right there. governor pat quinn and senator dick durbin have both called on
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cohen to step aside. will he do it? lynn is an expert on chicago politics, a washington bureau chief for the "chigao sun-times." and msnbc contributor jim warren is the publisher of the chicago reader. i'm going to start with lynn and go to jim, quickly, your thoughts. what the hell happened? why would a guy like this, with this incredible stuff going on around him, how did he win without anybody reporting this to the press before he got the nomination this tuesday night? >> it was mentioned in a "chigao sun-times" column. didn't get a lot of attention. he talked about jobs, that was a message. and his questionable background, which is so toxic, it threatens the whole top of the illinois state ticket right now. just got ignored. other candidates tried to send a message. when there's no real party apparatus, there is no one to listen, no one who is running, wanted to take the chance of
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being the first guy to go negative on someone who might open the door to getting knocked themselves. big mess caused by the self-financed campaign that this pawnbroker unknown to anyone had. >> he can't possibly win a general election. will you join me with that assertion? he cannot win a general election with this kind of stuff around him. >> if he cannot win a general election, that probably means pat quinn, the democratic nominee, and the governor successor to rod blagojevich, can't either. because in illinois they run together. so how many votes could quinn conceivably lose if cohen is still on the ticket? i think this is also an absolute abject failure of not just the democratic party in illinois, not doing any vetting of mr. cohen, but also of the media. once upon a time you used to have editorial boards who liked to do criminal checks on candidates out there, even dogcatcher. that's not happening. there is evidence there were folks on the democratic party
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that had an inkling of this, passed it off, other than a brief mention in mark brown's column. you also had the fact there were four other candidates, two african-americans, they probably split the vote. they didn't have much money. and $2 million got him over the hump. and on the republican side, a guy nobody's name they knows, a 27-year-old guy, absolute novice. similarly, no experience. he spent about $1.5 million of the family's lumber wealth to win on the republican side. >> this is how it breaks loose when you lose control of good journalism, and not enough political staff to look into people. and in fact, to endorse the right people. here's more of the "chigao sun-times" report. that is the weirdest thing. how can this guy who just won
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the nomination for lieutenant governor, to have a girl friend, whether she's a massagist or prostitute, disappear from a court proceeding? that alone would seem to be incriminating. by the way, how can the president escape this? if this becomes the notion of what chicago politics looks like, he's going to be entrapped in this. your thoughts? >> he's already concerned. i know that from people who were watching this. president obama's not happy about how this turned out. but there weren't just a few warnings, there were glares, and a lot of responsibility to blame on why this happened. but here's what scott cohen did not figure out for all his millions of dollars. he could figure out a strategy to get nominated, but there's no strategy to get elected. either way, he's either forced off the ticket and we'll see how that unfolds, last night he was adamant about opening the door a little bit saying he heard from people, maybe he would change his mind. but right now, this is toxic to
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pat quinn's candidacy for governor. >> here's the candidate for lieutenant governor cohen. here's what he said in reaction to the prostitute's allegation alongside his ex-wife. let's listen to his defense of the charge he held a knife to a prostitute's throat. >> i never knew her as a prostitute. she was a massage therapist. i till don't believe she was a prostitute, even though, you know, she pleaded guilty to something. it was a bad time in my life. you know, i was trying to put muscle on. >> here's some more of him on that program. he's starting to sound more like a defendant, not a nominee. let's listen. >> i assure you, i promise you, i never touched the woman. i never tried to cut her throat. i never did anything like that. >> i never tried to cut her throat. jim, there's a campaign pledge. what do you make of ha? this guy is finished.
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>> well, we'll stipulate that he appears to be an absolute, total slug. i mean, this is, you know, rather incredible we've gotten to this point. the we found out with rod blagojevich what can happen when the governor's out. this is the next guy who steps in. you were talking about obama. i wish i could claim this comment, but i was talking to a state legislator who said if barack is superman, illinois is becoming his krypton. it makes him weak. >> exactly. >> now you just need the upcoming trial of rod blagojevich which could conceivably, if the bumbling republican party plays it right, and they are bumbling in this state, it could essentially be a big month-long infomercial for them. >> right. not only, lynn, could they win the governor's chair, they could win the senate seat once held by the president. every time they want to wack the
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president, they could say typical chicago politician. which hurts. if this is the environment. >> but right now, talk about the ammunition that the -- that scott lee cohen has given republicans all over the nation actually. look at the sound bites you just used. the best thing he could say for himself, well, i couldn't try to cut her throat, but he had a knife to it? come on. this is real life. this is a real candidate who's running. people might think we've made this up. and it's not. chris, this is the second time in recent years, though, that an illinois lieutenant governor candidate has come from nowhere. in 1986 there was a candidate who won. so we've been through this. this time very serious ramifications. you don't need me to tell you that. president obama warns health care reform could die in congress. first time he's said that. this could be a problem in itself, just admitting it could open the door to defeat.
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welcome back to "hardball." here's something president obama said the other night to his fellow democrats. the president was talking about health care reform. the number one goal on his agenda. editor in chief of politics, and the fix for the "washington post." i guess this is either a big thing or small thing, but there's the president for the first time allowing the fact he might lose on health care last night. >> marching into battle to say, we could lose. i mean, jimmy carter, this looks
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so bad, so weak. you cannot do this. he's cutting off these congressional democrats who have really done their utmost. it's so significant. >> why is this the front page of the big paper? >> i don't know. because i work for a newspaper. >> is it overwritten? >> you know what, it may be slightly overwritten, chris. but i think melinda is right. the problem that you have is this. the president is up for re-election in 2012, fine. maybe by then this whole health care blows over whether it passes or not. but people like michael bennett in colorado who voted for this bill, it does them no good to walk away from it politically, because they've already voted for it once. they're going to get hammered on this. there's probably not a good exclusion. your choice is walk away from it, or pass a bill in hopes you can convince americans to support it before november.
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that's a dangerous political proposition. >> he did so much worse by not even trying. it doesn't help his position for 2012, not at all. >> like saying five days before the election, let's be honest, martha coakley is not going to win in massachusetts. >> obviously at least trying out the proposition that they can blame the republicans for killing this. let me try something else. have you heard this buzz they may be suggesting in the senate they're going to let the republicans filibuster like in the old days, bring the cots in, stay all night like "mr. smith goes to washington." let the republicans show their willingness to just kill this bill by talking it to death. >> i think that's fine. but to see the whole battle before it's begun, couldn't be worse. >> let's go to something more appetizing. eliot spitzer here. let's watch him on colbert the other night. eliot spitzer, we're going to go to break. hang in there. this is called a tease. eliot spitzer is going to try to
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doesn't everything in our economy depend on the banks? >> no. >> wait a minute. aren't they the linchpin? shouldn't they be given anything they want. >> they should be -- are you running for office? >> are you? >> that's eliot spitzer this week on the colbert report. is he areally thinking about running for something again? >> i know that guy has got to be an honest broker because you've got nothing to lose, right? >> that sums it up. >> right. you've got no public image to uphold. it's better if you don't uphold your public image at this point. >> there is the absolute truth and without sticking it to people without repercussions. that is true. >> there's nothing they've got on you. >> not anymore. >> so what is spitzer up here
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to? >> he looks like he's trying to weasel himself back into -- >> he wants to run for something, there is no question about that. but i've been told by a very senior democratic source, spitzer will not run for anything in 2010. eliot spitzer will attempt to be back in public life, very likely in 2012. what office that will be, who knows. but this is someone who has spent his entire life seeing the direct path from attorney, governor, president of the united states. >> can i remind you of something? most voters are women. >> yeah. >> heerls here's the thing. >> a guy that cheated on his wife on a relentless basis. not once. relentlessly. >> his problem is not that he had sex with hooker. it's not even that he had sex with his socks on. it's that he did something for
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which he was prosecuting other people and that's a problem. >> he prosecuted people for that? >> yeah. nevertheless, i personally love the idea of the post scandal politician who doesn't have to pretend to be the most wonderful husband in the world and who really maybe can do the right thing like it took george ryan to empty death row in illinois because he himself was on his way to prison. i do think there's a period -- >> he asked spitzer about a comeback and this is what he told him. i would hate to dissuade from the issue. one is hard work the other is humility. >> he's being truthful half of that. he's extremely hardworking. no one, i think, would dismiss. he's extremely hardworking and extremely ambitious. he is not the most -- he's not someone that is particularly self aware or has a lot of humility. if that kept you out of
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politics, he couldn't have a very big -- >> let me ask you -- he said something here and i really do like what he said. because this is so true and so humble, i love it. quote, i have no illusion that i could ever get this piece of my life to fade significantly into the background and into the -- let's listen to him on tape. >> i have no illusion that i can ever get this piece of my life to fade significantly into the background. it was too much of media hysteria about it and i'm not saying improperly. but it's there. you come to grips with that. all you can do is step back and say, okay, move forward and try to continue to do something useful and over time, perhaps, that will cause people to say, okay, the other piece of his life is one aspect but there are other aspects as well.
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>> he's like a high school kid opening up a star fish. he's talking about himself there with such detachment. >> well, he's a smart guy and i think he make as point that there's got to be some role for him. i mean, why shouldn't we use his expertise that we obviously really need. >> well, you are unbelievable. why you want this guy back in public life? >> the question he will face -- >> there's 300 million people in this country. we're going back into the dead file. >> hopefully not. >> the thing he lacks is judgment. he made a very bad decision. >> this show covers politics. we have talked about blagojevich tonight, this incredible character who had to put up to a knife allegedly of a prosecutor that he was living with and didn't know was a prostitute. now we're back to spitzer, a serial customer of -- it's hard to keep up with these guys.
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let's have a whole show with these guys on it. >> right. >> it reminds you of how wonderful american politics can be. lincoln running for the united states senate, real heavy weight, steven douglas. after he beats douglas for the presidency, he goes down to the south and tries to woo the south. i get chills thinking about how american that was. >> i wrote a column after i saw this show that i thought was so fantastic, not where is our lincoln, where is our douglas was the headline on my column. the guy who humiliated by lincoln goes back to illinois and saves illinois for the union and who really does run himself and died on thatter rand for lincoln and who, knowing that it would kill his chances, what
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chance of becoming president in the 1860, went to the south and told the truth. >> the president went to the enemy camp, if you will, to the republicans and having a real debate with them. american politics can be elevated. it can be great. why we have to go back into the garbage cans and get the politicians, you are such a liberal. that's a forgiver. join us for more "hardball" at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern. right now it's time for "the ed show." good evening. tonight from new york, hitting my hot buttons off the top, the president exhausting every effort. he wants to call out the republicans once and for all for obstructing health care reform. but if he's going to do it, he needs the democrats in congress to have backbone and stand up to those bozoes across the aisle. also, there's a tea party going on. they are holding their first
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convention and sarah palin is headlining for 100 grand. more on that at the bottom of the hour. just two days left before the big game. the colts and saints go at it in the super bowl. but the super bowl is really not all about football. it's about the tv commercials that you won't want to miss. we'll talk about that as well. but, first, the democrats -- how do i say this politely? they've got to get a pair. they've got to get tough. they've got to get after it. take some steroids. heck, they do it in baseball all the time. president obama wants to put the republicans on the spot publicly on health care. and the democrats in congress i think ought to listen to them once and for all. last night at a d and c fund-raiser, the president said that he wants to give bipartisanship one more shot, then go right through them with or without the republicans. >> what i'd like to do is have a meetin


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